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So I’ve read that you can now buy the first gen of the 2020 Kuga and the dealers said it was due in showrooms about now.

But has anyone seen one in a showroom......
 

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Not in a showroom but, as I posted before, I followed one for about ten miles over the 'mountain road' in the Brecon Beacons. Sorry, but my reaction was 'mmph, so what'. Nothing 'struck me' that is was anything other than yet another Eurobox SUV.
 

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Must have missed that post, soz.

Wonder if was a demo model, anyway your not impressed. I wasn’t happy when the mk1 was superseded by the next generation mk2 but then bought one and again the same for the mk 2.5 and bought one, so opinions can and do change.

I had a giggle yesterday which very quickly changed to fury, as I was researching the new model and came across some info on the 2.5 engined hybrid with an acclaimed Pre. Wltp Mpg of ..............201mpg! It added that would change under the new “stop kidding the public rule” or WLTP actually standing for “WAS LIKE TAKING PISS”

Anyway the future will reveal what we think of it.....
 

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Just to put the private vehicle hybrid into perspective with a hybrid bus, where you cannot inflate or exaggerate, New Bus For London (NBFL) on a test route used for buses in London gave almost 8mpg in hybrid mode compared to 4.7 mpg as purely Diesel. I know you cant really compare but thats a real world test.
 

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Must have missed that post, soz.

Wonder if was a demo model, anyway your not impressed. I wasn’t happy when the mk1 was superseded by the next generation mk2 but then bought one and again the same for the mk 2.5 and bought one, so opinions can and do change.

I had a giggle yesterday which very quickly changed to fury, as I was researching the new model and came across some info on the 2.5 engined hybrid with an acclaimed Pre. Wltp Mpg of ..............201mpg! It added that would change under the new “stop kidding the public rule” or WLTP actually standing for “WAS LIKE TAKING PISS”

Anyway the future will reveal what we think of it.....

I think the 'killer' for me is that the seating position is lower and the whole vehicle is some 50mm lower than the current Kuga.

With severe mobility issues my whole reason for buying the Kuga (which was immensely popular with mobility-impaired customers according to my dealer) was ease of access.
 

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I think the 'killer' for me is that the seating position is lower and the whole vehicle is some 50mm lower than the current Kuga.

With severe mobility issues my whole reason for buying the Kuga (which was immensely popular with mobility-impaired customers according to my dealer) was ease of access.
I agree with the potential height difference problems but will reserve comment until I actually try one The deal breaker for me is that there does not appear to be a petrol auto, either FWD or AWD (yet?). Diesels are out because of my low mileage and the PHEV is an unknown quantity. Finally looking at the brochure and price list a decently specced car is 40k or more before any discount! Sad but I might be jumping ship after 40+ years with Ford.
 

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I can't even get a Vignale auto up to £40k where was the price list at which you were looking.

I agree about the petrol auto, big mistake to launch without. It's already available on the Escape in the USA.
 

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The 2.5 hybrid is a petrol auto.
do you mean a lower CC like a 1.5ltr. Most manufacturers seem to be heading that way don’t they.
 

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Just to put the private vehicle hybrid into perspective with a hybrid bus, where you cannot inflate or exaggerate, New Bus For London (NBFL) on a test route used for buses in London gave almost 8mpg in hybrid mode compared to 4.7 mpg as purely Diesel. I know you cant really compare but thats a real world test.
Perhaps if they trained bus drivers to drive steady they would attain an mpg of 8mpg without the expense of going to a hybrid.
 

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Ah ah.. Unfortunately the drivers like the acceleration of the hybrid being all electric driven even in its dumbed down torque so they wont want to go back to just Diesel. We are talking about London.
 

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Dealership where I purchased my Kuga's from (Think Ford), have a Frozen White ST Line on display, Hendy Ford alos have the same.
 

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I can't even get a Vignale auto up to £40k where was the price list at which you were looking.

I agree about the petrol auto, big mistake to launch without. It's already available on the Escape in the USA.
Ford UK website has Build & Price as well as downloadable brochure and price list for New Kuga. The petrol PHEV with 2.5l Atkinson cycle petrol engine is stated as having CVT but no more details as to how the transmission is configured. If it is similar to the GKN transmission fitted to the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV then I might consider it if the price is right, although I believe it only has one electric motor and is therefore FWD only.
 

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Ah ah.. Unfortunately the drivers like the acceleration of the hybrid being all electric driven even in its dumbed down torque so they wont want to go back to just Diesel. We are talking about London.
Oh I see. We have a couple of hybrid buses in our city but would have thought the fuel would have been better than 4.7. I used to be in transport years ago and the trucks pulling 38 ton total weight did about 7 to 8 on average.
 

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I guess its the stop start that pulls the initial mpg down, but it is surprising how fast a Hybrid bus in its raw unfettered setup can accelerate, just like a passenger vehicle, constant torque and in EV mode surreally quiet.

Going back onto thread, will be interesting to see the new Kuga and how it fare's, in particular the HEV and I'd want AWD, though Ford wont be getting even a sniff of my money this time when I change cars.
 

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Perhaps if they trained bus drivers to drive steady they would attain an mpg of 8mpg without the expense of going to a hybrid.
I don't have an issue with bus drivers putting their clog down if warranted; like everybody else, they sometimes have to move smartly to get into a gap
 

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I am really surprised our government has never imposed a satellite TV tax or mobile phone tax as it taxes every other pleasure. Let's face it, we re looking at a government that nearly went to war on a tax on a pasty.

Our government are stupid saying we need to be doing away with diesels yet they make them more appealing due to cheaper road tax since 2001.

I am not surprised really by the article as technology still has an extremely long way to before the electric car is on most people's shopping list and the infrastructure need to be in place first. I doubt if I will see it in my life time.
 

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I think, for what it’s worth, that the big electrical snowball has started rolling down that big climate hill and it going to keep getting bigger.
there’s more choice of hybrids than full leccy vehicle so maybe manufacturers are aware of the lack of infrastructure in the UK. Japan May have alreadychanged cos that’s how they are, leaders in stuff like that.
we of course are like our diet (for most) stodgy, slow, grumpy, lack imagination and live somewhat in a bye gone era of being stoic in our approach. The leaders of that kind of thinking are falling of the edge of the world making way for the those with fresher more modern ideas.

Just my thoughts.
 

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My Kuga is the most economical car I have ever owned... Better than my Seat Exeo (42mpg), Focus 1.0Ecoboost (40mpg), Captur (41mpg) Kadjar (43). Back in the day my MkI Escort 1100 wouldn't do better than 29mpg...
 

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I know mpg is a big thing for people and I know this has been said before..........but people loose sight of what the Kuga is. Prior to the VW scandal on emissions, which they drew the mpg comprisions into the mix, owners have literally taken what the manufacturers have listed about the fuel consumption.
I think mines good as well and it ticks all the boxes but you can’t have everything.
 
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