[smartguy69]

SLI battery is normal lead acid according to Google.

 

[Ron T]

Hello,this is my first post. I collected my PHEV four months ago when all was well with charging the high voltage battery. Once the instruction came not to charge the high voltage battery the car drove in auto ev mode but shortly after that I began to experience the 12 volt drainage problems with the same symptoms as others. Last week I had several updates done at the main dealer and all seems well at the minute. My question is has anyone who has had the updates done had a recurrence of the battery draining problem. Thanks

 

[Jizzer]

It is easy to check on ETIS what versions of the various modules software you have. Ask the dealer to tell you the software versions for your car for the TCU (SH), PCM (ERP), ABS (NT), SOBDM (AL), SOBDC (GN) and BECM (DF) modules. This will take them 5 minutes once logged in to ETIS. The letters in brackets are the final letters in the software package and are the most up to date versions being applied to cars now. They work alphabetically so for example you may be on TCU version ending SF which was an update applied to cars in June / July that turned out not to be the whole fix. If you don't have those versions (especially TCU, ABS and PCM) then you will still be at risk of the 12v problem.

However if the battery has been flattened by the problem it needs testing as the 12v battery may be damaged. There are plenty of people out there with batteries recording below 12.67v at rest (once all systems have shut down) because the battery has been damaged by constant discharging. If you have the latest updates I would get the battery tested as that may be all it is now. Driving the car is not a quick way to recover the 12v battery, and if it is damaged it will not recover it at all.

Some dealers are miles away from being on top of this unfortunately, but there is no excuse as all of the information is there for them.

This is from Etis I cant See The TCU Module updates done 11/08/20 for 12v issue

PTI related Electronic Control Units Installed on this VIN

Acronym	NodeID	Description	AssemblyPartNo	DerivedAssemblyPartNo	SoftwarePartNo	HardwarePartNo	LastChecked
IPC	720	Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC)	LV4T-10849-DKM	LV4T-10849-DKM	LV4T-14C026-CA	LV4T-14F094-DAA	11-08-2020
ABS	760	Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module	LX6C-2C219-MD	LX6C-2C219-MH	LX6C-2D053-NS	LX6C-14F065-MA	11-08-2020
PCM	7E0	Powertrain Control Module (PCM)	LX6A-12A650-DGA	LX6A-12A650-EPM	LX6A-14C204-EPM	LV4A-12B684-CA	11-08-2020
OCS	765	Occupant Classification System Module (OCSM)			null		01-01-1970
BCM	726	Body Control Module (BCM)	LU5T-14B476-BCF	LU5T-14B476-BCF	LU5T-14C184-ACF	HU5T-14F141-BCC	11-08-2020
PSCM	730	Power Steering Control Module (PSCM)	LX6C-3F964-FG	LX6C-3F964-FG	LX6C-14D003-AF	LX6C-14F079-AE	11-08-2020
HCM	734	Headlamp Control Module (HCM)	LV4B-13C148-AE	LV4B-13C148-AE	LC5B-14D063-CA	JX7B-14F110-AA	11-08-2020
RCM	737	Restraints Control Module (RCM)	LV4T-14B321-SB	LV4T-14B321-SB	KX7T-14C028-AA	LV4T-14F136-SA	11-08-2020

 

[Jizzer]

just registered with etis got more info and TCU module

This page allows you to view the current state of the vehicle modules and shows the history of changes to vehicle modules and software.
Modules History DDM Driver Door Module (DDM) JX7T-14B531-AF JX7T-14C064-AE 11-08-20 06:58 PDM Passenger Door Module (PDM) JX7T-14B533-AF JX7T-14C108-AE 11-08-20 06:58 DSP Audio Digital Signal Processing (DSP) Module LJ6T-18B849-AC H1BT-14C589-AK 11-08-20 06:58 SODL Side Obstacle Detection Control Module LH (SODL) LJ6T-14C689-AA LJ6T-14D368-AA 11-08-20 06:58 IPMA Image Processing Module A (IPMA) LV4T-19H406-CE LV4T-14F397-CE 11-08-20 06:58 DCDC Direct Current/Direct Current (DC/DC) Converter Control Module LX68-14B227-BE L1M8-14D459-AC 11-08-20 06:58 SODR Side Obstacle Detection Control Module RH (SODR) LJ6T-14C689-BA LJ6T-14D368-BA 11-08-20 06:58 ACCM Air Conditioning Control Module (ACCM) LX6A-19F611-JB LX6A-14D491-EB 11-08-20 06:58 PACM Pedestrian Alert Control Module (PACM) LJ6T-14G113-BE KG9T-14G492-BE 11-08-20 06:58 APIM SYNC Module [APIM] 11-08-20 07:14 TCU Telematics Control Unit (TCU) Module LB5T-14G087-XF LB5T-14G139-SH 11-08-20 10:28 GWM Gateway Module A (GWM) LJ6T-14F642-BG LJ6T-14F530-BG 11-08-20 06:58 IPC Instrument Panel Cluster (IPC) LV4T-10849-DKM LV4T-14C026-CA 11-08-20 06:58 ABS Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Module LX6C-2C219-MD LX6C-2D053-NS 11-08-20 10:38 PCM Powertrain Control Module (PCM) LX6A-12A650-DGA LX6A-14C204-EPM 11-08-20 10:28 SOBDM Secondary On-Board Diagnostic Control Module A (SOBDM) LX68-10B689-YD L1M8-14F476-AK 11-08-20 10:38 SCCM Steering Column Control Module (SCCM) LV4T-3F944-EE LB5T-14C579-AB 11-08-20 06:58 CCM Cruise Control Module (CCM) LB5T-9G768-AB LB5T-14D049-AB 11-08-20 06:58 BECM Battery Energy Control Module (BECM) LX68-10B687-DC LX68-14C197-DE 11-08-20 10:28 WACM Wireless Accessory Charging Module (WACM) M1PT-19J235-AA LL1T-14G583-AA 11-08-20 06:58 BCM Body Control Module (BCM) LU5T-14B476-BCF LU5T-14C184-ACF 11-08-20 06:58 SOBDMC Secondary On-Board Diagnostic Control Module C (SOBDMC) LX68-7P120-BC LX68-14G069-GL 11-08-20 10:46 ACM Audio Front Control Module (ACM) JX71-18K810-ZM JX7T-14C302-CM 11-08-20 06:58 BCMC Body Control Module C (BCMC) LX6T-14D068-HAG L1MT-14G630-BH 11-08-20 07:14 PSCM Power Steering Control Module (PSCM) LX6C-3F964-FG LX6C-14D003-AF 11-08-20 06:58 IPMB Image Processing Module B (IPMB) LJ6T-19H423-AA LJ6T-14F017-AA 11-08-20 06:58 GSM Gear Shift Module (GSM) LX6P-7P155-EE LX6P-14G395-AB 11-08-20 06:58 HUD Head Up Display (HUD) Module LV4T-19G468-AF LV4T-14F230-AE 11-08-20 06:58 HVAC Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) Control Module LJ6T-18C612-DC LJ6T-18D619-AC 11-08-20 06:58 HCM Headlamp Control Module (HCM) LV4B-13C148-AE LC5B-14D063-CA 11-08-20 06:58 RGTM Rear Gate Trunk Module (RGTM) JX7T-14B673-AN JX7T-14C121-AM 11-08-20 06:58 PAM Parking Assist Control Module (PAM) LU5T-15K866-CD LU5T-14C090-CD 11-08-20 06:58 RCM Restraints Control Module (RCM) LV4T-14B321-SB KX7T-14C028-AA 11-08-20 06:58 [TH]Acronym[/TH] [TH] [/TH] [TH]Description[/TH] [TH] [/TH] [TH]Assembly Part No.[/TH] [TH] [/TH] [TH]Software Part No.[/TH] [TH] [/TH] [TH]Last Checked[/TH] [TH][/TH]​	Modules shown on the left are installed on this vehicle. For each module the Assembly Part Number is shown which indicates the current level of software installed in the Module. In addition, the date the information was last checked is indicated. If the date is not populated, this indicates the data was gathered during vehicle manufacture.

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[Gregs24]

Picture of battery ...is this lead acid or AGM View attachment 4762

They are just normal lead acid batteries of relatively small capacity. No need for an AGM large capacity battery as there is no stop start function to support.

 

[Gregs24]

AGM (Absorbent Glass Mat) is a form of lead acid battery. I would have thought that 45 Amp hours is quite small if it is intended to power all the Kuga electrical systems when the engine isn't running. My 10 year old Focus had a 60Ah battery. Is this in the boot well?

The car runs off the HV battery, the 12v battery is only there for the initial opening the car and auxiliary functions before you start the ignition. The 12v battery starts charging as soon as the ignition is on and doesn't need the engine running. There is no alternator on the car.

Interestingly almost all cars are getting ISG's now which is a belt driven Integrated Starter Generator. This replaces the alternator, starter motor, and provides additional electrical torque through the belt to help the engine as well as allowing regenerative braking. Ford is fitting them to almost all of their cars over the next year or so, as are most other car makers. They tend to be called MHEV's

 

[notascooby]

PHEV Kuga registered March 2020.
Are any owners still having issues with a flat 12V battery.
Mid January had the same problem as others that have posted after driving back from the post office. Loud ticking from speakers, some dashboard lights flashing, car wouldn't start. Called AA who said battery voltage was 4V. He jump started it with battery pack and car started but engine management light on together with other warning messages. Car taken to dealer and picked up a week later. Was told software updates were installed, battery was charged and tested as OK. At the end of January had the same problem so jump started with battery pack and took to the dealer. A further week later when the car was picked up was told they installed more software updates, there was no power drain, battery was fully charged & again tested OK. A couple of days ago Ford Pass App stated car had gone into deep sleep again despite the battery being fully charged by the dealers 4 days previously. I have checked the battery voltage and it is now at 11.75V
Will have to go back to dealers again, but don't hold out much hope of a permanent repair. Surely either the battery is no good or there is some power drain.
I wondered whether it is due to having to leave the Lithium batteries at zero charge until we get our replacement batteries. Hopefully mine will be at end of March. Has anyone seen the promised fuel card - I have been told I would get the card within 1 or 2 weeks each time I have called Ford since November, but never received.
Is the battery going flat still an issue with owners, any advice will be appreciated.

 

[ChrisJ]

PHEV Kuga registered March 2020.
Are any owners still having issues with a flat 12V battery.
Mid January had the same problem as others that have posted after driving back from the post office. Loud ticking from speakers, some dashboard lights flashing, car wouldn't start. Called AA who said battery voltage was 4V. He jump started it with battery pack and car started but engine management light on together with other warning messages. Car taken to dealer and picked up a week later. Was told software updates were installed, battery was charged and tested as OK. At the end of January had the same problem so jump started with battery pack and took to the dealer. A further week later when the car was picked up was told they installed more software updates, there was no power drain, battery was fully charged & again tested OK. A couple of days ago Ford Pass App stated car had gone into deep sleep again despite the battery being fully charged by the dealers 4 days previously. I have checked the battery voltage and it is now at 11.75V
Will have to go back to dealers again, but don't hold out much hope of a permanent repair. Surely either the battery is no good or there is some power drain.
I wondered whether it is due to having to leave the Lithium batteries at zero charge until we get our replacement batteries. Hopefully mine will be at end of March. Has anyone seen the promised fuel card - I have been told I would get the card within 1 or 2 weeks each time I have called Ford since November, but never received.
Is the battery going flat still an issue with owners, any advice will be appreciated.

Hi, I am surprised that you haven't had your HV battery sorted out yet. Mine is a March 2020 reg and my HV battery was done about a month ago. Up till that time, I was having trouble with the 12V. Largely because I wasn't driving much in the lockdown - perhaps once or twice a week. When your HV battery is sorted there are a load of other software updates and you can use mains charging and that charges the 12V too. I got my £500 fuel card back in November - struggling to use it!. Also they are now offering a heavily discounted charging point or another £300 fuel card or a donation to charity. I would recommend that you join the 'Ford Kuga/Escape PHEV Owners' group on FaceB, if you aren't on it already. Apart from seeing how everyone else is getting on, it is monitored by a Ford UK director (I think), Jay Ward, who jumps on dealerships around Europe who aren't cutting the mustard in supporting us afflicted PHEV owners.

 

[Jizzer]

Had the Etis 1090 12v updates for flat 12v battery ... better but not cured still goes into deep sleep and remote services stopped remote start all door keyless entry etc it but Will still start . State of HV battery has no effect on the 12v at zero electric miles there’s is still 20% charge in HV.And yes when able to charge HV the 12v gets a charge too so once again the problem will be masked by regular charging .Test will be when we are able to travel again and car parked in airport car park for 2 or 3 weeks then will be issues ...in my opinion

 

[ChrisJ]

Had the Etis 1090 12v updates for flat 12v battery ... better but not cured still goes into deep sleep and remote services stopped remote start all door keyless entry etc it but Will still start . State of HV battery has no effect on the 12v at zero electric miles there’s is still 20% charge in HV.And yes when able to charge HV the 12v gets a charge too so once again the problem will be masked by regular charging .Test will be when we are able to travel again and car parked in airport car park for 2 or 3 weeks then will be issues ...in my opinion

Completely agree. If I am parking up for a while, especially with 0 indicated electric miles (as you suggest at the airport) I will be taking my spare fully charged 12V battery and the jump leads with me for when I get back. A set up that has seen a lot of action in the last 6 months . If I find that I don't need it after a few times, I will leave it behind. I have some problem with thinking that Ford won't cure the 12V issue in the airport situation which drivers will experience fairly frequently, once the C19 business is behind us.

 

[Jizzer]

Completely agree. If I am parking up for a while, especially with 0 indicated electric miles (as you suggest at the airport) I will be taking my spare fully charged 12V battery and the jump leads with me for when I get back. A set up that has seen a lot of action in the last 6 months . If I find that I don't need it after a few times, I will leave it behind. I have some problem with thinking that Ford won't cure the 12V issue in the airport situation which drivers will experience fairly frequently, once the C19 business is behind us.

Yes always travel with same set up .With regards to Zero charge in HV or 100% in HV it has no effect on 12v when parked up both systems are mechanically and electrically isolated for safety.And it’s a chicken and egg scenario because if you have 100% HV battery it’s no good to use unless the 12v is healthy to fire the car to the ready state.A couple of occasions my 12v has been that depleted the jump pack wouldn’t cut it and had to jump start from another vehicle.

 

[notascooby]

Hi, I am surprised that you haven't had your HV battery sorted out yet. Mine is a March 2020 reg and my HV battery was done about a month ago. Up till that time, I was having trouble with the 12V. Largely because I wasn't driving much in the lockdown - perhaps once or twice a week. When your HV battery is sorted there are a load of other software updates and you can use mains charging and that charges the 12V too. I got my £500 fuel card back in November - struggling to use it!. Also they are now offering a heavily discounted charging point or another £300 fuel card or a donation to charity. I would recommend that you join the 'Ford Kuga/Escape PHEV Owners' group on FaceB, if you aren't on it already. Apart from seeing how everyone else is getting on, it is monitored by a Ford UK director (I think), Jay Ward, who jumps on dealerships around Europe who aren't cutting the mustard in supporting us afflicted PHEV owners.

Thanks for info & advice. Will join facebook owners group. Interesting to see you have had the fuel card since November, will contact Ford customer services again.

 

[notascooby]

Had the Etis 1090 12v updates for flat 12v battery ... better but not cured still goes into deep sleep and remote services stopped remote start all door keyless entry etc it but Will still start . State of HV battery has no effect on the 12v at zero electric miles there’s is still 20% charge in HV.And yes when able to charge HV the 12v gets a charge too so once again the problem will be masked by regular charging .Test will be when we are able to travel again and car parked in airport car park for 2 or 3 weeks then will be issues ...in my opinion

Thanks Jizzer
I guess I have had the Etis 1090 update but will check. Will also start carrying battery pack. Bit of a joke that a 35k car can’t be relied on and Ford can’t sort the problem.

 

[Gregs24]

Thanks Jizzer
I guess I have had the Etis 1090 update but will check. Will also start carrying battery pack. Bit of a joke that a 35k car can’t be relied on and Ford can’t sort the problem.

There was another update released last week, but that concerns the 12v battery when HV charging. Sounds like your 12v battery has been damaged by the chronic discharged state from which it will not recover.

 

[notascooby]

There was another update released last week, but that concerns the 12v battery when HV charging. Sounds like your 12v battery has been damaged by the chronic discharged state from which it will not recover.

I would agree but garage say they have tested on each occasion I have had a flat battery and say it is fine. What can I do other than get it tested independently. Any suggestions welcome

 

[Villager]

I would agree but garage say they have tested on each occasion I have had a flat battery and say it is fine. What can I do other than get it tested independently. Any suggestions welcome

For what its worth, my Kuga was fixed by the garage just before Christmas and they even replaced the 12v battery. Last month, Jan, the battery was flat again. At that point I decided I'd had enough and the car went back. It's such a fundamental problem I can't believe it was designed that way. Good luck.

 

[morgui]

Mine was back in the garage 2 weeks ago to replace the EV battery. Last week the 12v went flat again.

First time it had happened since August, where it went flat a couple of times while we were camping. That was the same week we got the recall notice to stop charging, so we did. The boot was left open quite a bit, and the kids had been playing around. So assumed that then drained the 12v battery.

A bunch of warnings flashed up in the Ford Pass app when the AA jumped started last week. It's going back to the garage on Friday to get the 12v replaced. And confirm nothing wrong with the warnings, which have now gone.

 

[Gregs24]

I would agree but garage say they have tested on each occasion I have had a flat battery and say it is fine. What can I do other than get it tested independently. Any suggestions welcome

Did they test the parasitic drain on the car when off - if they didn't they need to as no matter what battery is fitted it will go flat if the parasitic drain is too high.

 

[Gregs24]

Mine was back in the garage 2 weeks ago to replace the EV battery. Last week the 12v went flat again.

First time it had happened since August, where it went flat a couple of times while we were camping. That was the same week we got the recall notice to stop charging, so we did. The boot was left open quite a bit, and the kids had been playing around. So assumed that then drained the 12v battery.

A bunch of warnings flashed up in the Ford Pass app when the AA jumped started last week. It's going back to the garage on Friday to get the 12v replaced. And confirm nothing wrong with the warnings, which have now gone.

There is another update released last week to prevent 12v battery discharge after the HV battery is fully charged. That may be your problem now you are charging again. Simple enough for them to check on ETIS whether the car is due another update, and plenty on here can check for you if you like. PM the VIN

 

[Gregs24]

For what its worth, my Kuga was fixed by the garage just before Christmas and they even replaced the 12v battery. Last month, Jan, the battery was flat again. At that point I decided I'd had enough and the car went back. It's such a fundamental problem I can't believe it was designed that way. Good luck.

Google 12v battery and EV to see that it isn't just Ford having problems !