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If you add the BHP, you'll see that both 150 and 180 end up outputing 204BHP (which is the max HP of the dyno plot), so the two remaps are indeed identical ;)
147 + 47 = 194
179 + 25 = 204

There's 10 BHP difference. I know BHP is not precisely the same as HP, but this is based on their own files (as listed in the screenshot above) 馃槈
 

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Back to school for me o_O

However the end result is the same, both 150 and 180 have the same power curves after the remap
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This is where the magic happens. I am really not interested in max power, as I won't be driving 200kmh on a highway, BUT (!!) achieving max torque at mere 2600rpm or so is the game changer... instead of a much lower torque at substantially higher rpm with the original MOD. For my driving style it's the higher torque at lower rpm that counts, not the max power output at 6200rpm.
 

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Does anyone know for sure if the 180bhp and 150bhp have different PCMs. I know enabling satnav for example on sync2 is just a simple task of changing 1 digit for the APIM module to enable the sat nav. Surely it couldn't be that easy to unleash extra power by some code changes or could it.

I am not sure if they fit this engine in the focus but chances are if they do there would be more information on fordownersclub.com in the focus section. Sorry to have to nominate another site but focus owners are perhaps more prone to customise their car performance wise.
 

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Does anyone know for sure if the 180bhp and 150bhp have different PCMs. I know enabling satnav for example on sync2 is just a simple task of changing 1 digit for the APIM module to enable the sat nav. Surely it couldn't be that easy to unleash extra power by some code changes or could it.

I am not sure if they fit this engine in the focus but chances are if they do there would be more information on fordownersclub.com in the focus section. Sorry to have to nominate another site but focus owners are perhaps more prone to customise their car performance wise.
Ford fits this very same engine into Focus, Mondei, C-Max and Kuga, all of them having different HP/ Tourque settings, so IMHO the best thing to do is take the car to a specialist, test it on dyno and have it properly remapped.
 

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I agree and I wouldn't be wanting to alter the mapping on mine but maybe remapping isn't quite as hard as we think. I had the dpf modified on my Mazda 6 and the guy who remapped it didn't have any Dyno or specialist equipment other than what you would find in most garages and all he did was download a map to his laptop from his supplier and then uploaded it to the car. No difference really to how blue fin is done. Cost me 拢250 and worth every penny for no more dpf issues.

To be perfectly honest I am happy with the 150bhp my diesel has. My Mazda 6 was 143 and after remapping it was supposed to be nearer the 180 mark. My Kuga has a better rev range and more torque than the Mazda had. Put it this way I have to be extremely careful not to spin the front wheels at this time of year and in the dry if I boot it when coming out of a small roundabout or turn it soon lets you know you have given it too much gas. Then previous owner my have had it mapped, who knows, but I certainly don't need more power or torque with this car. It pulls extremely well.
 

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I agree and I wouldn't be wanting to alter the mapping on mine but maybe remapping isn't quite as hard as we think. I had the dpf modified on my Mazda 6 and the guy who remapped it didn't have any Dyno or specialist equipment other than what you would find in most garages and all he did was download a map to his laptop from his supplier and then uploaded it to the car. No difference really to how blue fin is done. Cost me 拢250 and worth every penny for no more dpf issues.

To be perfectly honest I am happy with the 150bhp my diesel has. My Mazda 6 was 143 and after remapping it was supposed to be nearer the 180 mark. My Kuga has a better rev range and more torque than the Mazda had. Put it this way I have to be extremely careful not to spin the front wheels at this time of year and in the dry if I boot it when coming out of a small roundabout or turn it soon lets you know you have given it too much gas. Then previous owner my have had it mapped, who knows, but I certainly don't need more power or torque with this car. It pulls extremely well.
Diesel 1.5 has 340Nm torque, 2.0 has 400Nm which is a huge advantage compared to a modest 240Nm on petrol engines, hence the feeling of lack of agility on low Rev... which is why I'm considering remapping mine properly.
 

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That's why I went for the 2l Diesel, loads of low down grunt with no reason to rev the engine out.

You're suffering from a low capacity petrol engine (torque wise) the turbo will help it out but you need decent exhaust flow to get it spooled up.

Torque curve is what's most important when comparing graphs (and engines) imho for real world driving.

Granted we tow a caravan, but even normal driving the low rpm shove gets the car motoring along effortlessly.

Your other problem is having a Torque Converter gearbox sapping some power until the converter is locked, but saying that after all the trouble I've had with our Powershift 6dct450 I'd take a transfer loss over reliability any day of the week..
 

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That's why I went for the 2l Diesel, loads of low down grunt with no reason to rev the engine out.

You're suffering from a low capacity petrol engine (torque wise) the turbo will help it out but you need decent exhaust flow to get it spooled up.

Torque curve is what's most important when comparing graphs (and engines) imho for real world driving.

Granted we tow a caravan, but even normal driving the low rpm shove gets the car motoring along effortlessly.

Your other problem is having a Torque Converter gearbox sapping some power until the converter is locked, but saying that after all the trouble I've had with our Powershift 6dct450 I'd take a transfer loss over reliability any day of the week..
I've opted for petrol over diesel, as 90% of the millage I put in is short distance in the city, in moderate to heavy traffic... which kills a diesel engine.
 

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Same reason for chosing petrol over diesel plus in the Netherlands diesel road tax is double that
of petrol engined which would be a ridiculous 鈧 1700 per year.
Having said that , I believed the Ford Kuga brochure that quoted 1800 kg.towing capacity from still
standing start on a 12% gradient. After our towing troubles of last year ( which I documented ) , I
carefully calculated the gross towed weight and came up with 1340 kg. Way out from the Ford figure
of 1800 kg.
I also wanted an increase in torque in the lower rpm range and went for the Bluefin. Much to my
dissapointment have not noticed much increase around the 2600 rpm as quoted above. There is
a power increase in higher ranges but not where needed when towing the caravan.
 

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Same reason for chosing petrol over diesel plus in the Netherlands diesel road tax is double that
of petrol engined which would be a ridiculous 鈧 1700 per year.
Having said that , I believed the Ford Kuga brochure that quoted 1800 kg.towing capacity from still
standing start on a 12% gradient. After our towing troubles of last year ( which I documented ) , I
carefully calculated the gross towed weight and came up with 1340 kg. Way out from the Ford figure
of 1800 kg.
I also wanted an increase in torque in the lower rpm range and went for the Bluefin. Much to my
dissapointment have not noticed much increase around the 2600 rpm as quoted above. There is
a power increase in higher ranges but not where needed when towing the caravan.
So yours is the 120HP version?

Towing aside, have you noticed a major performance upgrade in any other driving scenario?

0-100 acceleration...?
 

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There is a noticeable increase in acceleration when - for example - overtaking but as I am no boy
racer , haven't noticed any other improvement. I did the Bluefin remap solely for better performance
when towing the caravan .
 

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There is a noticeable increase in acceleration when - for example - overtaking but as I am no boy
racer , haven't noticed any other improvement. I did the Bluefin remap solely for better performance
when towing the caravan .
Not a boy racer myself either... as a matter of fact when I rarely find myself on a highway, I'm typically cruising in the right-lane @ 110-120km/h, with adaptive cruise control set to 140km/h, for occasional overtaking of trucks and/or slower vehicles. I have never "tested the limits" of the Kuga, the top speed I went once was about 160km/h.

So sadly, that part of the re-map doesn't excite me at all... the lack of agility in town driving and low revs is what I'm truly missing. So, no Bluefin for me. Tnx for your valuable feedback mate!
 

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I've opted for petrol over diesel, as 90% of the millage I put in is short distance in the city, in moderate to heavy traffic... which kills a diesel engine.
Not killed mine yet. Had mine 10 months and it's only been out of the city on 3 occasions with occasional blast on a country road and city dual carriageway. The problems of other manufactures with the start of euro 4 diesel engines with dpf are gone with this engine. It regenerates the DPF as it should so you don't need to go and run it consistently above 2000 rpm for 20 minutes. I asked loads of taxi drivers about their cars fitted with this engine and none had reported any DPF issues. That is the only reason I bought another diesel car as after owning a euro 4 Mazda 6 it would be enough to put you off diesels forever. What an amazing car let down hugely by an inefficient dpf system.
 

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Bluefin down from 拢399 to 拢319 U.K. price inc VAT.

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Our Mk2 2l Diesel Titanium X does relatively short trips during the week and have had no issues with DPF etc over the last 3 years.

The MK1 seems to suffer badly with this style of driving but the Mk2 seems more tolerant to it.
 

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I think MK1 was similar to my Mazda 6 and prone to dump diesel in the sump. To be fair it didn't do any damage to the engine but it would have done if you let the oil get too high. There was an X mark on the Mazda which was above the max fill mark and when it got to there the oil needed changing. I could take nearly 7 litres out of a 4.2 litre sump. I have never checked my oil so much on a car.
 

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I think MK1 was similar to my Mazda 6 and prone to dump diesel in the sump. To be fair it didn't do any damage to the engine but it would have done if you let the oil get too high. There was an X mark on the Mazda which was above the max fill mark and when it got to there the oil needed changing. I could take nearly 7 litres out of a 4.2 litre sump. I have never checked my oil so much on a car.
My friend had a Mazda 6, mainly motorway use and still suffered badly with DPF problems. He was glad to get rid of it in the end.
 

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My friend had a Mazda 6, mainly motorway use and still suffered badly with DPF problems. He was glad to get rid of it in the end.
Whoever designed the system on the MK1 Mazda 6 has possibly cost them millions in future sales. You should see the threads on honest John and the Mazda 5 suffered as well. The criteria for the Mazda to perform a regen was ridiculous. I was told by a Mazda main agent to run my car at 80mph on the motorway. Avoid short journeys and to make sure if the dpf light came on to boot it and keep the car above 2500rpm. They also told me that the car would need at 20 litres in the tank to meet the criteria for a regen. The system was designed so if it failed a regen for whatever reason it would put the car in limp mode and would need a force regen by a dealer. It was a recipe for disaster and was never fit for purpose. I had an issue in Austria and took it to a Mazda agent who said the car should have received an ecu update within the first couple of years of its life due to regeneration issues. For the first five years the car went to Mazda for service. Makes you wonder if the UK got the update or not as my car had gone to three separate Mazda dealers. Perhaps Mazda UK decided not to issue it knowing that the consumer would be footing the bill for force registrations required as the engine was not fit for purpose. The dpf issue on it spoilt what was a great car and so glad I had it re-designed.
 
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