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    Posted: 16 Jan 2012 at 7:09pm
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I have just put some diesel in the thing reset the trip and the fuel guage was showing 314 miles untill empty. I then did my normal 7.3 mile drive home across town at rush hour. When i got home my miles to go had dropped down to 290 mile until empty. Has anybody else experienced this huge loss of miles on such a short journey??
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Happens all the time and also happened on my old Mondeo, however it also goes back up too.

So I wouldn't personally worry about losing a few miles (17), if it's losing more than a few miles then I'd start to worry.




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generally it's pretty spot on. 
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Yes it seems to try to work out your range on recent mpg, it goes down while I do short trips and up on motorway journeys as you would expect. I wouldn't rely on it too much though as it seems to drop very quickly over the last quarter tank.
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Hi RichyRich,
I think it might get in a flap with the distance to empty if you reset the mpg when you fill up (it might need time/distance to work out an average) - think it averages the last 600 miles
 
I have spent the last week driving like a milkman ... as a bit of an experiment after resetting the mpg. I usually see ~40 mpg and distance to empty of 450-460miles

During the last week, I managed to see a high of 47mpg (during 5 days of very careful motorway commuting), it dropped slightly after the weekend (chauffering the family around) so today (with 12 miles to empty... and an indicated 46.2 mpg) , after fuelling with 54 litres, the indicated distance to empty was 523 miles! Bit inaccurate somewhere, as the tank capacity is 55 litres so at 46.2 mpg would be 558 miles ...
 
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Can't be bothered driving at 55 mph on the motorway every day (using lorries as pace setters) so it's already dropping to 45 mpg It will probably come down to around 40 mpg but it was my most (self) controlled test ...


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This just happened to me 2 days back!

With every full tank of petrol my digital gauge will usually tell me I have about 580-599 kilometres range left. However, that very Sunday, as I was driving, the gauge went crazy - one moment showing me 480 km left (while the tank was full), dropping to some 350km about 10 minutes later and then going back up to 505km , but not before dropping again. 

During my 2 hour journey, the gauge was literally doing this over and over and over again. I wasn't too bothered initially, until I noticed the analog gauge doing the same thing. 

Then the worst came - as I stopped for a little while to get something from a friend's home, I returned to the car with the error message: 'Fuel Computer Data Error', and the analogue gauge fell right down to ZERO!

Pic below shows the inaccuracy between the Digital and Analog gauge after restarting the car a few times:


Took the car to Ford Brunei yesterday, and they mentioned that it happened once before to another Kuga here. It was because there happened to be water in the tank, and affected all sensors and eventually the fuel pump as well. Apparently some of the petrol stations in Brunei are extremely old, and their foundation are not good enough to withstand water seepage into their fuel silos underground. This problem is then passed on to us drivers. Happens with all other car brands too!

Now I've left my love with them for the next 2-3 days to have everything sorted out, and hopefully none of these will happen ever again.


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Ahahhhh KP,

You see - you were trying to tell us all how 'wonderful' life was in Brunei, where fuel was only costing you £0.63 per tank-full.

But you NEVER told us that your fill-ups were mostly WATER.

Come to Scotland - we have so much water here that I will fill your tank for FREE !!

(But, hurry, be quick - don't leave things too late, otherwise you will need a VISA and Inoculations to cross the border, and the Scottish Numpty Party will have realised that they will have to tax EVERYTHING in order to survive - including the water)

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Heh Niall, you bet I will really be considering moving over if things at work iron themselves out.

In fact, I might be heading to Ireland for some job training sometime this year, and I am considering taking time off to tour the whole of UK.
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I drove 3 miles at 30mph and it knocked 6 miles off my fuel guage so seems to be doubling what i am doing. Also when i got home last night and switched the engine off my head lights stayed on. I locked the car but they still stayed on. I then had to get back in the car switch the lights off(which still stayed on) turn the ignition on then off again to get them to go out.
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Going back to the original issue of what the 'Distance to Go' indicator displays . . . . .

Obviously, the indication can ONLY be based on two factors, namely current (perceived) 'MPG' rate and the known quantity of fuel in the tank. If you multiply these two figures together, you get 'miles to go'. Simples.

Except . . . .

The ECU must know, with pretty good accuracy, both of these values if it is going to provide a useful indication of DTG.

Fortunately, modern fuel tank sensors are pretty accurate - or they can be - and so at least one of the two variables can beknown with pretty good reliability.

Unfortunately this isn't the case for the MPG figure. It isn't so much that the value isn't known with any accuracy, or that it is difficult to obtain - this is far from the case. In fact, the two individual components that make up the MPG figure (distance and fuel flow rate) are, nowadays, very accurately obtained from on-board sensors that are critical to the engine management ECU.

No, the problem is what MPG figure is actually 'used' to calculate the DTG value.

Using some form of 'instantaneous' MPG figure would simply mean that the DTG value would be as erratic as the 'instant' (non-averaged, or non-smoothed) MPG indication. In other words, hammer up a hill in 3rd, and the DTG display might suggest that you won't even make it to the top, whereas coast down the other side in 6th, with the wind behind you, and the DTG might suggest that you needn't bother refuelling again this year!!

Similarly, if the calculation used an 'averaged' MPG that went all the way back to the day the car was bought, then that isn't much use either.

I believe that the DTG calculation is based on the 'averaged' MPG figure - which, in my mind, is the most sensible figure to use.

If you reset the averaged MPG value - for example at the filling station, having just filled up - then the 'averaged' MPG figure will itself be erratic for a few miles, until enough data has been acquired to start 'smoothing' it out. Until that happens then, naturally, the DTG figure will reflect the changes in the MPG figure.

This approach will work well because, at the 'end' of a tank of fuel, when DTG is perhaps needed most, it will be based on the most 'stable' data (i.e. well-averaged MOG information, and a well-calibrated fuel-level sensor in the tank).

Of course, if you are running your Kuga on rainwater, it does make the calculations that bit more difficult!!

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